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	<title>Comments on: Table Based Website Layouts are EVIL</title>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.tyleringram.com/blog/table-based-website-layouts-are-evil/comment-page-1#comment-9781</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, some layout may leave a bad effect for your websites.You should try &lt;a href=&quot;http://myspacemusicvideo.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; New Layouts &lt;/a&gt; and increase your website traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, some layout may leave a bad effect for your websites.You should try <a href="http://myspacemusicvideo.com" rel="nofollow"> New Layouts </a> and increase your website traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.tyleringram.com/blog/table-based-website-layouts-are-evil/comment-page-1#comment-2048</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes a bit of practice to get div tags to work properly. IE doesn&#039;t play nice because they don&#039;t follow the standards set out by the WWW Consortium. So you sometimes have to hack the div tags to look properly in IE when they normally work in Mozilla and Opera etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes a bit of practice to get div tags to work properly. IE doesn&#8217;t play nice because they don&#8217;t follow the standards set out by the WWW Consortium. So you sometimes have to hack the div tags to look properly in IE when they normally work in Mozilla and Opera etc.</p>
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		<title>By: the-Vyper</title>
		<link>http://www.tyleringram.com/blog/table-based-website-layouts-are-evil/comment-page-1#comment-2030</link>
		<dc:creator>the-Vyper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t I go on killing little monkeys?  Divs are killing me.  I get my site to look good on one browser and the others parse it horribly.   

Brennan the Vyper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t I go on killing little monkeys?  Divs are killing me.  I get my site to look good on one browser and the others parse it horribly.   </p>
<p>Brennan the Vyper</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.tyleringram.com/blog/table-based-website-layouts-are-evil/comment-page-1#comment-1959</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duhp! forgot about html filtering, let the example be:
&lt;div class=&quot;CurrCart&quot;&gt;$cartbox&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duhp! forgot about html filtering, let the example be:<br />
&lt;div class=&#8221;CurrCart&#8221;&gt;$cartbox&lt;/div&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.tyleringram.com/blog/table-based-website-layouts-are-evil/comment-page-1#comment-1958</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a module for osC called, &quot;STS&quot; (Simple Template System, or some such, http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contributions,1524) that tokenizes the various bits of osCommerce to &quot;variables&quot; which are swapped out with the osC HTML upon display. You work with an HTML file, dropping in the &quot;variables&quot; as you please. For example, &#039;$cartbox.&#039; When displayed to the browser, STS turns $cartbox into HTML with the list of items in the cart. That HTML is usually a table, or series of embedded tables, but at least you can now style it directly. With STS you can have one template that serves every page in the site. If you are more advanced, or want to remove yet more tables, you can make STS templates for more granular elements such as infoboxes. Unfortunately osC has chronic tablitis and *everything* is eventually displayed as a table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a module for osC called, &#8220;STS&#8221; (Simple Template System, or some such, <a href="http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contributions,1524)" rel="nofollow">http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contributions,1524)</a> that tokenizes the various bits of osCommerce to &#8220;variables&#8221; which are swapped out with the osC HTML upon display. You work with an HTML file, dropping in the &#8220;variables&#8221; as you please. For example, &#8216;$cartbox.&#8217; When displayed to the browser, STS turns $cartbox into HTML with the list of items in the cart. That HTML is usually a table, or series of embedded tables, but at least you can now style it directly. With STS you can have one template that serves every page in the site. If you are more advanced, or want to remove yet more tables, you can make STS templates for more granular elements such as infoboxes. Unfortunately osC has chronic tablitis and *everything* is eventually displayed as a table.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.tyleringram.com/blog/table-based-website-layouts-are-evil/comment-page-1#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Mo off the top of my head I do not. CSS isn&#039;t all that terrible to play with. Yes IE doesn&#039;t play nice and you have to do some silly hacks sometimes.

The only site that I could think of is the sight that redid JohnChow&#039;s blog: Unique Blog Designs. Wouldn&#039;t hurt to ask them if they would do the CSS side of it, or help you with your layout/theme ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Mo off the top of my head I do not. CSS isn&#8217;t all that terrible to play with. Yes IE doesn&#8217;t play nice and you have to do some silly hacks sometimes.</p>
<p>The only site that I could think of is the sight that redid JohnChow&#8217;s blog: Unique Blog Designs. Wouldn&#8217;t hurt to ask them if they would do the CSS side of it, or help you with your layout/theme ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo</title>
		<link>http://www.tyleringram.com/blog/table-based-website-layouts-are-evil/comment-page-1#comment-1667</link>
		<dc:creator>Mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tyler,

Question for you - do you know of any good CSS layout designers?  I&#039;m gathering the courage to create my own customized WordPress theme and have the template in mind -- but don&#039;t want to get down and dirty with coding the CSS by hand.

Any information you could provide would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Mo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tyler,</p>
<p>Question for you &#8211; do you know of any good CSS layout designers?  I&#8217;m gathering the courage to create my own customized WordPress theme and have the template in mind &#8212; but don&#8217;t want to get down and dirty with coding the CSS by hand.</p>
<p>Any information you could provide would be appreciated.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Mo</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.tyleringram.com/blog/table-based-website-layouts-are-evil/comment-page-1#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John, I&#039;ll need all the luck I can get. I downloaded the Alpha and they have created it all with &lt;div&gt; tags and have used more CSS. Which is nice to see. But at the same time they changed their directory structure so the modules I need (moneris for one) is a bit tricker to impliment and I haven&#039;t the slightest idea where the files go in the v3 alpha. One directory where files went in in the current release.. now has XML documents in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John, I&#8217;ll need all the luck I can get. I downloaded the Alpha and they have created it all with
<div> tags and have used more CSS. Which is nice to see. But at the same time they changed their directory structure so the modules I need (moneris for one) is a bit tricker to impliment and I haven&#8217;t the slightest idea where the files go in the v3 alpha. One directory where files went in in the current release.. now has XML documents in it.</div>
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		<title>By: John Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://www.tyleringram.com/blog/table-based-website-layouts-are-evil/comment-page-1#comment-1620</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OSCommerce is such a dog.  We&#039;ve done a couple of those.  Table layouts, minimal CSS -- it&#039;s just horrid.  There&#039;s nothing like having to change 20 different pages when you want to change the design...

Good luck!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OSCommerce is such a dog.  We&#8217;ve done a couple of those.  Table layouts, minimal CSS &#8212; it&#8217;s just horrid.  There&#8217;s nothing like having to change 20 different pages when you want to change the design&#8230;</p>
<p>Good luck!  <img src='http://www.tyleringram.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sean Hagen</title>
		<link>http://www.tyleringram.com/blog/table-based-website-layouts-are-evil/comment-page-1#comment-1602</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah. Tables. I moved away from using tables as soon as I learned about divs. Divs are a gift from above when it comes to web design. A lot of things are so much easier with proper use of CSS and divs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah. Tables. I moved away from using tables as soon as I learned about divs. Divs are a gift from above when it comes to web design. A lot of things are so much easier with proper use of CSS and divs.</p>
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